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fistofnathan in wing_chun

Wing Chun in Full Contact

Hello all,

Has anyone experienced or knew of Wing Chun training in full contact events? If so what is your opinion on it and any such advice you might have? How did would you (or have you/others) worked your Wing Chun to the event?

Beyond the obvious lack of finger jabs to the eyes and attacks to the throat, I feel that something Wing Chun can use in almost any type of full contact sporting would be the close-range sticking and manipulation of arms/balance. I've had great success with this facet most of all when I would open spar others at various degrees of intensity. That is the one thing I have not see other styles utilize, thus my partners always note and respect this ability after they witness and/or experience it.

I have a Sanshou Leitai event coming up in May. Beyond conditioning and getting "fighting fit", anyone have any words to share?

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Hi there!
Best of luck in your event!
Let us know how it goes.

I haven't done much full contact yet myself, but I hope to build up to it.
There was a full contact chi sao event at the Seni 2008 MA exhibition here in the UK - full contact to the body anyway. You can find a number of vieos posted of it on Youtube
ie http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ARpHOcIEDm0
It was promoted by an instructor over here called Alan Orr: http://www.alanorr.com/
I think he's got a team in the MMA circuit over here also.
Interesting video.

I know different schools have different styles, and what works for one might not work for another. We don't see much use in full contact chi sau, since chi sau is more for training than as a foundation for full contact. I mean, if you're going to do anything full contact, then might as well just fight.

Here's one of our videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otPO4oRkXKw

The kind of strikes we do preclude full contact on our hits. Our trapping is done full contact and full speed, because that doesn't really hurt, but we always pull our hits, since no one can withstand those kinds of strikes.

It's just different. Thanks for sharing your vids.
I have not personally had experience in full contact events. I've been in illegal fights that were full contact, but I don't think that's what you had in mind.

I really think that the only way that Wing Chun would have a place in sport fighting is if you were to cross train in other MMA disciplines. The rules for such events usually preclude about 50% of Wing Chun techniques, and definitely give the advantage to techniques involving strength and the ability to take a hit.

We have several students who train for cage match fighting down in Mexico and they definitely find that Wing Chun techniques give them a distinct advantage over boxer type strikers. Our leg techniques also give us a distinct advantage as most people don't expect us to do much with our legs, apart from low level kicks and such.

We see leg techniques as being the best fight-stopping techniques we have (which is a bit of a surprise to people who think that Wing Chun is all about hands). You break someone's leg and the fight is over. Think Kuntao Silat and how they control their opponent's legs while striking. Very similar.
Chi sau can come into play whenever there is contact. I am not a competition fighter, however, several of our kwoons students enjoy competitions and chi sau helps them endlessly. It's one of those things where the more subconscious it becomes and you don't realise it's benefits until you stand back and think about it.

I agree, because of the rules, most mixed competitions favor strength and grappling. Keep in mind most kung fu styles (especially Wing Chun) were about killing your opponent. Pulling out your butterfly swords and cutting down your opponent tends to be frowned upon in todays competitive fighting arena.

As for chi sau in this it can depend on your interpretation. Our school cross trains in BJJ, after doing a passing the guard drill I got up and realised it was in fact a chi sau drill. Or more correctly a chi sun drill (sticking body) the principals are still the same.
Hi mate,
Best thing I'd do for starteers is to get some sparring time in under their rules.
I don't know much about san shou myself, it looks like kickboxing with some takedowns thrown in, is that right? I've done a bit of training with people from a boxing background. It made me realise just how important distancing and footwork is. Especially given that to dominate using our techniques and to strike when facing front on you need to be in close and driving forward. If you can't catch the guy, or if you're aiming for the wrong distance, its very hard to achieve this.
Throwing kicking and takedowns into the mix as well will make for a very interesting match!
Best of luck mate!
Please do post back afterwards and let us know how it when and any observations/lessons that you have from the experience!
Have you managed to post complete videos of your fight yet?