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gracewanderer in wing_chun

Wing Chun vs. groundfighting

Does anyone here have experience fighting vs. ground fighting styles with Wing Chun? It's kind of hard to evaluate the effectiveness of a form that you're not supposed to use in sport.

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I've heard that Bruce Lee was definitely influenced by his experiences sparring with practitioners of other arts, and he had no problem adding what he experienced to what he knew. It's important to know that Bruce Lee's training in Wing Chun was very incomplete.

I would say that Bruce started the whole trend in mixing various styles of fighting, though he wasn't the first to do it. I think he was the first to speak openly about being open to whatever works, especially since he was prevented from pursuing his training in Wing Chun.

I think it's also important to know that there is a huge difference between sport fighting and fighting for combat. What works in the ring isn't necessarily what you want to do when confronted on the street. What works on the street simply isn't legal to do in sport fighting, nor should it be.

Depends on what you mean by "fighting". If you mean sports-fighting where there's rules, then yes, MMA is the way to go. If someone pulls a knife on you, or you have multiple opponents, going to the ground with an opponent is the surest way to get killed.
I certainly believe that it's good to learn all you can. If nothing else, at least you'll know what a potential opponent might do and it's good to be prepared.

Yes, open palm strikes are definitely the way to go. We only teach beginners to use their fists, to build power and proper technique. Palm striking comes in the second form of Wing Chun. The most dangerous strikes we do are done with the fak sau (chopping hand) and the finger tip strikes (biu jee).

Yes, I think it has more to do with popularity than what is effective. Consider, why would anyone want to do an arm bar or leg lock on someone in combat? To make them submit? To make them surrender? What about the rest of the enemy on the battle field? What are they supposed to do when they see your awesome ground fighting skills? Throw down their weapons and surrender before you choke them out?

Of course, there's lots of instructors out there who know the difference between how civilized people defend themselves on the street and how a combat soldier is supposed to destroy the enemy at all costs. So you could say they are training soldiers to defend themselves under many different situations, especially since soldiers do get mugged back home.

And hand-to-hand is relatively rare on the battle field. We're much too good with our weapons and tactics to even let that happen. As far as "ending fatigue in combat" there are better ways to exercise than practicing martial arts. Most fighters supplement their fighting training with stuff that has nothing to do with fighting (lifting weights, cardio, etc). I certainly think the military wants their soldiers to feel safe, which is why they give them bayonets even though they are rarely used in combat. They will be a lot safer keeping their gun close by than by depending on any hand-to-hand skills.